In my opinion 4 weeks is too short. 10-12 hours later, take 1 tablet of 4-ANDRO on an empty stomach. 1-test and 11-KT. 48 – $ 108. Apply in areas with the least amount of bodyfat; traps, delts, arms, quads, and lats. Hello all, I was wondering which would be the better non-injectable test base during a rad 140 cycle, 4-andro or dermacrine? comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Add a Comment. Strength. Awards 4. Taking both at recommended dosage just to dip my toes in. Hi tech superdrol does have 4 andro in it which does convert to testosterone, but it has a proprietary blend of other prohormones like 1 andro, epiandro etc. What it does is help prevent Test from dropping in response to cortisol after intense training. If you're looking for an andro base I'd suggest 3AD at 100 mg ed, 4-ad, or even 4-andro. It's become a quite encompassing term and has also seemed to be billed and sold as a "must have," which it isn't always. 330 mgs daily of 4 dhea is perfect. Plus, 4 andro is a test base and should help with lethargy. Much much nicer on you and the risks are much less since test is more researched then any sarm. Not sure what sarm you’re taking or how. Aug 29, 2016. I would definitely do 4-AD with the 1-Andro. Fucking nothing at all. Which his 4 Andro if dosed properly will do just that and effectively be an oral test base. Google that shitIf you keep seeing gains more power to ya. Normally the dose would be 100-150mg per day but some go up to 330mg per day of 4-andro. But with OL coming out with their Andro line I'm wondering if gains would be better with 4-Andro in place of the Dermacrine. Awards 0. Yes 4 andro is a base androgen you can use. IronMag Labs Anabolic Matrix would be the best PCT product to combine with 4-Andro. “DHEA converts into a bunch of different hormones within the body, one of them being Estrogen. . Those that have cycled with 4-Androsterone or other prohormones may. Jul 17, 2018. 1-testosterone is also shown to significantly increase liver mass. Enclomophine binds to estrogen receptors preventing the conversion of sex hormones into estrogen, keeping hormones at steady levels throughout cycle. So since you're not pinning test, then 4-Andro or Dermacrine and then can add the Epiandro for a base would be preferred. 4-DHEA aka 4-andro is a 2 step conversion to test. #1. Never took test or real AAS and not interested in the trouble and logistics of attaining them. 4-androstenedione converts to estrogen (and to test?). ZachH said: This isn't a test base. Feb 26, 2015. I never needed the Aromasin, but it's wise to have it on hand, just. Week 3 - 20mg Ostarine. Hi I’m UK based and want to use a test base for a cycle I have planned in the next few months possibly an Autumn/winter bulk I’m going to be running a combo of LGD for 12 weeks titrations from 6mg to 18mg with var for possibly 4/6 weeks it trating from 20/60 maybe 80 but I don’t Think I would need it mk677 towards the end of my cycle through. Thoughts? B Man Member. 1day = 2 cups. 4-Andro: 4-Androsterone, also known as 4-Andro or 4-DHEA, is a prohormone that converts into the hormone testosterone in the body. New comments cannot be posted. The new one they say is 4. #11. Sep 8, 2019 #5 Megashark said: Well I contacted aggressive labz and they seem pretty confident their msten is legit. Started breaking out in handcuffs when I drank) And my diet is 80%clean. May 8, 2016 #9 subbed . That being said, can you use 4 Andro as a Test base? Yes. 2 cups daily. Apply in areas with the least amount of bodyfat; traps, delts, arms, quads, and lats. People say the only possible oral only cycle ist dbol,because it converts enough to estrogen to work as a "Test Base" but dbol supress way more then tbol does . CosmicFlow111 • 3 yr. I received 1 andro cream instead and had to reorder the 4 andro cream. there is 4-Dhea or fusion. Reply hadavid3151 •. deeznutsboi said: Trest all day. Ok pick your poison though either rad-140 or LGD 4033 I wouldn’t do both and I would invest in peptides or MK677 if you don’t like the pinning. Valheim; Genshin Impact; Minecraft; Pokimane; Halo Infinite. Plan your cycles accordingly . I am done screwing around with 4-andro and dermacrine after my last cycle. • 2 yr. Why not. I had generally heard that 4-andro is a last resort test base but I have zero complaints. Starting a 4 week super mandro cycle going to run it solo on cycle: Super Mandro, Protex on cycle support, fish oil, joint support, multivitamin PCT: Sup3r PCT My main question is whether or not I need a SERM given I'm only running it for 4. 15. So I originally bought a few bottles of Dermacrine as a test base for a 1-Andro cycle. Sep 24, 2019 #3 Ironpirate said: 4 andro is a mild test base at like 4-800mgs. As far as goals go, I think I'd prefer to. Very little is known about. Sleep (8 hours of sleep) Repeat the process - 24 hours will be covered by the second day of starting and so on. We don't know a whole lot about yk11, so please be careful. RickyBlobby Well-known member. 4 andro converts to real test Reply More posts from r/SARMs. 5mg EoD had his natural test was on the high end come the end of the cycle. Thread starter wfreiling; Start date Feb 26, 2020; wfreiling Well-known member. Besides SERMs, I've also heard the taking a moderate dose of 4-andro (100-200mg a day) can be utilized as a test base when taking stronger SARMs like LGD-3033. So previously, consuming 100mg of 4-Andro would result in roughly 14mg absorbed, whereas now we are looking at up to 99mg absorbed for that same dose! Suggested Use for Andro the Giant With Andro the Giant. They will add to it. Should be relatively easy to come up with ratios of conversion of both from those numbers. Helps Strength & Power†. Around 300mg of 4-Andro is the perfect dose for me for most cycles (including an Epi cycle I ran a while back). 4-Andro test base: 300 to 500 mg per day. for estrogen regulation: 100mg Arimistane (androsta-3 5-diene-7 17-dione) daily for 30 days. Looking for a test base to curb lethargy with SD. No HCG, no dhea. Appreciate the Clarification . It is best to split the dose into two equal parts. csa2179;3636857 said: Pin the kittens with the tren, then attack the judges with the kittens, uppity bastards. The recommended dosage of four andro is between 50-100mg per day for a cycle lasting four to six weeks, followed by a break or "post-cycle therapy" period. Detoxifies Your Body. Gonna take 100 mg a day for 700 on the weak I hope that can convert to 200 mg of testosterone a week or maybe a little under since it’s the cream and it’s suppose to be more bio available than the oral. Yes, oral DHEA will help increase estrodial levels. Which of the two would be a better test base? (for a cycle with dry bulkers) I am guessing 4 andro (@ 330 mg Ed) would be better seeing as it converts into testosterone itself, as opposed to DHT like Epi. But it’s not going to make meaningful changes in the context of increasing gains. 4andro is so expensive running it for a week as a estro base costs the same as like a 16 week test cycle. So, it's helpful, but it's not exactly functioning as a Test base alongside your other goodies. Epi-Andro is absolutely not a good test base. I’m going to take a guess and say it may be due to excess stress on your liver, both LDG and 4-andro will go through the liver to be metabolized. It is commonly used by athletes and bodybuilders looking to increase muscle mass, strength, and overall performance. Don’t waste your time and LOTS of money on these like I did. Oggi faremo un confronto tra il 4-andro e il dhea. I powerlift and I really only care about strength and like the idea of. No. 4-andro is a two step conversion to testosterone. 🧿 FULL SOURCE-LIST 🚨 ⇝ 🌟 ☽. I asked here recently about test base without syringes (as they're highly illegal to possess in my country) and got some good advice re: test cream. To combat this users will take a 'test base' which is basically just legal transdermal DHEA. you body making enzymes 3hsb 17hsb - enzymes conversion andro to 1-test , (target hormones) in limited in time and resource dosage. You want to see some conversion to estrogen so you don't feel like crap. I ran them both beginning of last year and it was awesome. Do you need to use a test base or 4-andro while taking RAD-140? Do you need to take any prostate support supplements such as Saw Palmetto while on this stack?Hey, when you did a PCT using 4 andro as a test base what did you use as a PCT? Nolva 20/20/10/10? Reply reply meatball-maniac • when i use it as a base i usually run a really suppressive sarm like s23. Sorry When selecting a Test Base, look at the other compounds your planning on taking. Epi-Andro is absolutely not a good test base. Week 4 - 20mg Ostarine. 4-Andro presents itself as an attractive oral test base, possessing a credible reputation among SARMs users. Premium Explore. So a hefty AI and On-Cycle support stack would be essential. Then. Apr 26, 2016 #2Doing 8 week run, 4 week pct. Results: Really dries you out. . So apparently 4-andro converts 15% of it's mg dosage to testosterone. 1-Andro = 200mg ED 4-Andro = 200mg ED Ostarine = 20mg ED Ligandrol = 10mg ED. My cycle would include M-sten, dmz, 4 andro ( test base ), mk-677 Cycle duration aprox 8 weeks with mk-677 lasting q few months more to try and aid in maintaining gains Msten - 20mg per day × 5 weeks Dmz - 20mg per day × 5 weeks 4 andro - 200mg per day × 8 week Mk677 - 25mg per day × 14 weeks Pct nolvadex 40/40/20/20 start pct when 4 andro. my base is 500-750 on 100mg test cyp weekly. Your base will depend on your goals, DHEA -Standard Base -Least Side Effects -Least Added Benefits Epi-Andro (250mg-1000mg) -Leaning Base -Increased Fat/Water Loss -Increased Aggression -Possible DHT Side Effects 4-Andro (220mg-330mg) -Bulking Base . thebigt. 4 andro is a mild test base at like 4-800mgs. But a "test base" can be test, 4-andro, epiandro, DHEA, etc etc. I would use 4-andro or test base of 200mg. 37. But, if you insist on andro test base use epi andro. A test base is a wet compound. Remember, a Test Base is just that, a base. Epiandro Oral + TD ratios; general ratios blending TD & Oral solutions. Yes, 4-Andro is technically considered a pro hormone. You'll probably find a good synergy stacking those two, no need to. ReplyRegards your concerns about sex drive and lethargy, you could run a test base like 4-Andro or Epi-Andro. You’re already suppressed/shutdown, just finish the cycle and run your pct. Does one capsule has 125mg active ingredient (Cyclo-4-ADiol) or how much 4ad at the end does one capsule has? Is cyclo 4-adiol 4ad or is it a pre substance of it,when yes how much real active 4ad is in one capsule. I got by with 4 pumps a day with the 4 andro cream on a rad 140. I want to run rad-140 but I have been told to have a test base. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. . Popular (non injectable) Test Bases. Click to expand. Use the 4 andro up and never look back. 4-Andro is wet and has potential for estrogen conversion, but you'll also likely have the most muscle gain with this. Test base is in the word Testosterone base, Either in A SERM which is going to help with supression, a testosterone prohormone like 1-andro, 4-andro, topical 1-DHEA etc. Menu. 4-andro has a conversion rate into testosterone of about 15% so 100mg/d gives you 105mg/week of test. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Standard Base-DHEA Added Aggression and Fat Loss-DHT/Epi-Andro . rad 140+ 4-andro + epiandro even better. #3. When you said you got fatigued on rad that's test suppression. but I should add that I was also running OL's epiando with it. What do you prefer as a base. Fusion Supplements sells cyclodextrin 4-ADiol product in the UK with 125 mg / pill and the minimun dose is regarded to be 3 pills a day. Mood, energy, and edge wise, I felt great while I was on the 1. Or you could use estrodiol to keep you estro in order. In this example, I’ve used Enclomiphene, but you could also use 4-Andro as a test base followed by a double SERM PCT for four weeks. Scratch the blackstone labs pct **** I’ll do a cycle of Nolvadex for for pct but still for a test base will 4-Andro at 300 mg do the job. Don’t use steel, complete sham for the money. 4andro as a base. Secondary is muscle fullness, I always look fresh from the gym with a pump and vascularity. Transdermal Epiandro vs Oral. #11. Maybe Hcg to keep your fsh and LH hormones up. Trest is very potent and may add a host of sides. The biggest dosed, best value and most effective Test Base Supplement on the market today. 4 Andro is the prohormone to 4AD, and 4AD is the prohormone to testosterone. Awards 2. There was a guy that uses Clomid 12. Even on trt I've seen some ppl have issues on 1 andro. And no, I can't pin yet. Adding in Andros to a cycle will not stop shutdown. As for what test base you should take, since clearly your a beginner I would recommend just going with dermacrine, Epi-Andro or 4-andro. Yeah I have 4 andro rn and I was looking at dermacrine and saw it was $50 a bottle, but idk how many pumps and how much 4 dhea is in each. Other prohormones can cause lethargy but this prevents it. It’s taken for the conversion to estrogen which also tanks on sarms. There are no human trials so I based this off the only reported half life, approximately 12 hours, which was in rats. Feb 3, 2016 #2 Subbed . 1. " These chemicals are changed by the body to other "muscle-building" hormones such as testosterone. 1-Andro would be lucky to get you a seat on the Jersey shore much less win a real competition. However a test base, will eliminate any possible side effects commonly associated with suppression. Do 20mg of RAD and 10mg of YK-11 (YK dosed twice a day) for 8 weeks. 5 mg. If you are going on a journey - do your cycle before or after . I disagree you won’t keep much at all you’ll build some muscle Suew but test is better even if it’s just a little even hcg can be used as test base these things are much worse for you when you don’t have 80-90 percent of everything else that’s not estrogen. Any thoughts on adding this mid cycle? Was thinking 150mg for the final 4 weeks of the cycle. 4 Andro as a Test Base . . MrFlexo. I got by with 4 pumps a day with the 4 andro cream on a rad 140 cycle and it worked great and the gains were alright for the time. I found 4-Andro worked well. Epi-Andro is absolutely not a good test base. How does 4-Andro sound as a test base for a 6-8 week cycle of D-Bol? No pinning. So you could use that, or real test. As for what test base you should take, since clearly your a beginner I would recommend just going with dermacrine, Epi-Andro or 4-andro. DIM 300mg daily (during and after cycle) Pilotj123 • 4 yr. There are better options available out there than 1 andro. 4-andro helps me as a test base it keeps me stable. I’m trying 4 andro as a base, and tamoxifen as my pct. For test base use either real test, iml super 4 andro which is basically a skin cream, or andro the giant which is oral 4 andro. It acts as an anabolic steroid without the adverse effects. . Looking to run Mk-677 and Ostarine. Meanwhile, the recommended dosage from suppliers like Behemoth Labz is 75mg per day. CryptoI have been trying to research test base for my next PH cycle that will start late October. rad140 + 4andro is a good stack. Beginner and intermediate users should take no more than: 300-600 mg per day for 6 weeks. 4-Andro (converts into testosterone) - Primarily used as a test base and stacked with other compounds for more optimized results. It barely converts to test and it's just going to shut you down further. 1andro converts to 1-testosterone which is different than regular testosterone. 5 pumps gave me too much estrogen. Great for boosting libido, building muscle mass, providing a euphoric alpha male feel during training, and improving strength and recovery. SOME people on here will do nolva along a sarm such as rad140 and theyll start it around week 5 at around 10-12mg a day but youll still need. it's much more efficient. CryptoIf you take a sarm in a normal dosage, you can take a serm as a test base. Or throw in something mildish, but with more of an anabolic effect, like 1-Andro or LGD or Rad-140 or something. Running at base doses you should be okay though. Mk-677 10mg for 5 weeks. Which is actually beneficial to gainz/combating lethargy. Sam stack said: For six weeks you probably don’t need a test base. . You can start at week 2-3 and keep using it even a week or two after the cycle as a mini PCT. 0. 🌟 #sarms #steroids #dangers FOLLOW ME ON INSTAGRAM : ⇝ @russolifts : 16 comments Best Top New Controversial Q&A ferdumorze • 1 yr. #4. I personally would say it is around 8 tenths of a winny cycle. This is why you don’t even need to PCT on them, they aren’t able to fully metabolize in the liver to test. 🌟 #sarms #steroids #dangers FOLLOW ME ON INSTAGRAM : ⇝ @russolifts : 4 andro "test base" will make you feel better during cycle but will make a solid pct necessary. Don't take no estrogen blocker, that would be stupid. 2. Feb 18, 2017 #3 Thank you for the info much appreciated. The logical approach would be to run 4-ad as a test base and 1-andro as your anabolic compound. Applying after a shower is recommended, also timing one dose prior to workout may be beneficial. 4-andro will be run at 220mg and rad140 at 5-10mg depending on how I feel. Mood, energy, and edge wise, I felt great while I was on the 1. Excessive use can lead to unpleasant and long-term side effects. Pulse dosage. ApprehensiveLetter8 • 4 yr. 1 andro for more size/ strengths gains and 4 andro keeps the libido up and provides energy. Since OP did not ask that, the answer should be YES, NO, or MAYBE. Each pill was 110mg, so 220mg per day. but I should add that I was also running OL's epiando with it. . It is primarily to have a source of estrogen. Pct- D-aspartic acid, Arimistane, and Novedex XT by Hi-Tech pharmaceuticals. Comparing cost trest also seems a little more cost effective than Stano-TD due to the amount of. Use dermacrine it will help with. rad140+dermacrine+epiandro or. Curious if anyone has used Iron Mag Labs Super 4-Andro Cream as a test base before? Archived post. 4 andro (pro hormone) will increase libido. And if ur gonna shut yourself down, you might as well use actual gear or test. There are also estrogen side effects but estrogen is good and not a bad thing. Started by J-Test; May 7, 2023; Replies: 10; Supplements. thebigt. But people who use 4-Andro are using it as a Test base, so they are already going to be suppressed from the use of other compounds, and rarely do oral-only cycles reach 12-weeks in length. Then the answer would be "USE TEST". You can start at week 2-3 and keep using it even a week or two after the cycle as a mini PCT. Side note: 1-andro and Epiandro are mildly suppressive and won't shut you down completely as would other more harsh compounds in the AAS world. Jul 3, 2017. Where did you hear it described as a "blast of testosterone?"The test base never solves suppression problems on the SARMs cycle. I would either stop the 4-Andro, do a PCT, if more than a few weeks in, do more research and reasses. 3day = 2caps (or 1 cups) (day recovery enzymes - 3hsb 17hsb) 4day = 3caps. Feb 6, 2016. clostebol), and stacking with eradicate for some otc AI support. 3 max. During Weeks 1-4 ~ 1-Andro Rx™ 2 capsules per day (1 cap AM & 1 cap PM) During Weeks 1-8 ~ Advanced Cycle Support Rx™ - 2 capsules per day (organ and. back in the day I'd dose 200mg 4-andro-diol every 4-5 hours, with 400mg pre workout. I ordered 4 andro cream as a test base to just see how much size I could put on with 2 pumps a day, paired with Finasteride ofc so I don’t become John travolta. Hi there new to the forum and first post. I will be running andro the giant, which is dosed at 110mg a cap with 90 caps making it 330mg a day. But for some it gets too dry and get lethargic very quick on something like Epistane. If you can do 2 of them, I would epi/4 for a cut - or 1 and 4 for a bulk. Actually, mk677 can be suppressive as it increases the amount of prolactin causing a negative feedback loop. ago You would have to take a lot of it to convert to a tiny bit of test and 4 Andro can raise your estrogen it's not worth it. Have run 4-Andro as a test base before, although it was not with ostarine. That's way too much work. Supports Muscle Mass†. I even had a post from 2019 debating the idea of using 4-Andro long-run as an oral test base, but this isn't viable. I do meal prep tho. Advanced users can take up to: 1000 mg for 6-8 weeks. Probably gonna get a refund on the 4 Andro and get a better Test Base. 4andro blows I wouldn't even bother using it. I can assure this does convert to testosterone and can feel the effects gym aggression, strength gains, vascularity. 4-ad is a one step as opposed to 4-andro that’s 2 step. Strong product, I highly recommend!”-Christopher O. 4-androstenediol has some androgenic effects of it's own. Not at all silly. Sweet, thanks for the support! More to come! SwoleNation Member. you will be fine most likely no test base is needed on rad lmao. Just finished purchasing everything. . 4 andro will be of little to no use with a trt dose. Rad83 Well-known member. e replace natural levels) while 1-andro does the work. Alpha gainz 4 andro TD is 150mg 4 andro per ML. 5 is a lot man! Could even shut you down. This is the reason that 4 andro is not really a great bulker (compared to something like real test). 4-androsterone converts to 4-androstenediol and 4-androstenedione. Ehh I believe it's fine dependant on dose and topical vs oral. Awards 4. . Dude mutated . Awards 1. 4-andro and lgd-4033 cycle. Mar 23, 2016. What do the experts say? NewAgeMayan Well-known member. I'll most likely stick to primarily sarms and run a ph/as cycle once a year or so. felt like a tank. I promise you, pinning isn't very hard or scary, especially for the small dose you need as a base. Test base. I'd go with real test tbh. I want to know between those two thanks. 0 2 cap per day AM-PM 1-4week IML 4-Andro (Test Base) 2 cap per day AM-PM 1-4week PCT: OL Sup3r PCT 2 cap per day, AM-PM 5-8week along with EA Clomiphene Citrate 33mg/ml x 30 ML (Clomid) 50/50/25/25 once a day at AM. Andro the giant is okay for 4 andro test base (110 mg per cap) I would go with 4 andro cream from IML personally. Ah ok got it. Did bloodwork prior to cycle, all is well there and will be doing bloodwork again a few weeks after cycle. 4-andro should squash those side effects. By using 4-Andro as a “test base”, users are able to extend their SARMs cycles further than the normal 6-8 weeks. Trest seems to have good reviews for strength and libido, but also aromatizes bad from what i've read. kidguti2021. You must take 4 andro because it’s what converts into test/estrogen 4 andro cream is 50 mg per pump but since it’s transdermal you get overall more absorption . A Test base is Testosterone. s use it for hormone replacement therapy. You are going to repeat this for 4 to 8 weeks, depending on how long you choose to run your cycle. Some DHT blocker. Test bases are more for a balance of hormones, as they also can convert to estrogen, to help, or attempt to, lethargy, sexual sides, etc. Epi-Andro converts to DHT, so beware of. 🧿 FULL SOURCE-LIST 🚨 ⇝ 🌟 ☽. 4 Andro converts through a 2 step process to testosterone. Hello guys, i would like have an opinion of wich one of this stack would be more effective for fat loss, about 3/4% bf drop without any muscle loss. 1 andro cream converts to dhb or 1 testosterone which is very similar to masteron or primo (NOT HAIR SAFE) I was. Nov 10, 2016. . Last cycle i took 220mg a day of oral 4 andro by olympus labs and had good results, never felt suppressed during my 8 week run and libido stayed strong. 10mg nolva everyday would be best imo. chedapalooza said: Each patch has 20mg test. So I've found Epiandro, 17-andro, 1-andro, and 4-andro. Business, Economics, and Finance. 26 comments. Awards. Home. I’m looking to run the same cycle in a few months.